Wednesday, November 08, 2006

Open (Thread) Question

Is Dean the new Rove? Have at it.

9 comments:

griftdrift said...

An interesting thought. I would go with a maybe.

Whereas with the last two elections, the Repub victories were clearly the work of satan, er I mean Rove, I haven't really heard anyone give that much credit to Dean. Rahm Emanuel yes but not Dean. The big stories I read is all the bickering between the DNC and the other party groups. Its almost as if they won in spite of themselves. Typical democrats. heh.

Rove would have never tolerated it.

On the other hand it's apparent that Dean did do the one thing they wanted. Raised a boatload of cash. In the end it's all about the money right?

I seem to be babbling a bit. I need to think on this more.

Right now though I would possibly say Rahm = Rove.

ARBY said...

Dean is still a moron. I'll give this to Emanuel and any number of others...but the Democrat's success is in spite of Dean. Remember, the DCCC and DSCC have been doing everything they could to cut Dean out of the process. He is still a moron and he is still a liability to the Dems.

Possum said...

Hell, no. Dean is not a malevolent crook. Rove is a crook and an outright thief. Plus, Rove until now has been extremely competent. Dean is just a cocky asshole. I think Dean had a good idea of trying to revitalize the Democratic Party in every state except, you know, for Georgia ... where the Democrats are total assholes like the overweight baby who got only 38 percent of the vote for governor.

Ms. Savannah said...

Comparing Dean or anyone else to Karl Rove is the equivalent of a back-handed compliment, isn't it? I have another question for you...who is Karl Rove now? His strategy of appealing to conservatives just to the right of Pat Robertson seems to be played out. His predictions about the outcome of this election were dead wrong. ("THE Math" indeed! What typical arrogance!) I like to believe that common sense ultimately reaches most Americans, even when it has to go ass around elbow to get to them. Rove played a large part of the population like a cheap fiddle, but his tricks - however cleverly played - were still tricks in the end. Has Karl learned anything from this, or will his enormous ego lead him to his next "fool to politician" project? It's a trap to give too much admiration to his underhanded strategies and manipulations. The Dems have an opportunity to rise above partisan politics. I hope they don't disappoint.

Keneeee said...

Schumer and Emanuel were the main architects of Tuesday's victories, primarily because they raised a lot of money and recruited candidates who could win in all those centrist districts.

Both are scrappy. Unlike Rove, however, neither has pledged his soul eternnally to Satan.

And just as Ms. Savannah wrote, look at where Rove has done for his party now. By appealing strictly to the base, he may have painted Republicans into a minority corner for a generation. See, Carl? It doesn't pay to pledge your life to Satan.

Rusty said...

I don't really know what I think about Dean. He's been a liability from a PR perspective. I have no idea whether what he's doing behind the curtain is helping or hurting since they don't let me back there. So I don't have much to base an overall opinion on, but I do know he needs to avoid TV interviews.

Grayson said...

The consensus seems to be that I should rephrase to "Is Emanuel the new Rove?" Still, I'm open to more suggestions.

Couldn't we all see how clueless Rove had become in the post-Katrina days? He mis-managed the spin and the media ops on that one so bad that f-ing up the election was no big surprise.

He has his finger on the pulse of nothing except his own body parts apparently.

Sara said...

Apparently James Carville claims that Dean's strategy actually cost the Democrats even more gains that they could've made if they had more money to put into specific races where it was clear that an infusion of cash would have made the difference. So I'm not sure if the rest of the party considers him to have been the genius architect of the new majority or not.

griftdrift said...

First of all Carville's quote has been conflated by some lazy reporting.

But anyway...

Looks like my babbling was ahead of its time.

http://austincentrist.blogspot.com/2006/11/centrist-heroes-emanuel-and-schumer.html